zarahjoyce | This post is all about Angel

Self, note that leaves/lives are two different things gadamit. READ YOUR TAGS BEFORE POSTING SHEESH.

Plus, playing Cordelia and Illyria at the same freaking time is hard. AGH. I DID NOT THINK THIS THROUGH OKAY.

Anyway! I know I'd already thanked

notcrazy_honest for like a bajillion times, but dude - THANK YOU. I've been wanting to read After the Fall ever since I heard of its existence/publication. HOBOY. And, just in case you missed it - THANK YOU!

Man this comics made me realize I ship Illyria with Wes AND Spike and I can't decide which pairing I like more. And it's great because in the comics, both guys' relationships with Fred are the reason Ten-storey-Illyria! was brought down. I mean, in Season Five I was all about Wes/Illyria, but reading SPIKE made me ship them hard. GAH.

Anyway. It just... saddens me a bit - because I am biased and I love Cordy and I know she's dead in here and everything - but, I don't know. Fred's... significance to the team is... overplayed, I guess? I can't think of an appropriate word right now. Like, every single one of the men were relating to her most of the time. She is their weakness. She is their dream and desire. And, yes, I get that the reason this is so is because of Illyria, too, but... cue my internal flailing because I can't explain this properly. Agh. Go me.

Anyway (for the third time if you're keeping count), as I said, I am biased - so I love the Cordelia bits. Man. The breeze scenes with both Wes and Angel made me go T_____T and thank you, writer/s, because you realized that waaaay before there was Angel Investigations, there was AI with only Angel/Cordy/Wes.

And then there's Gwen.

cherrybomb25's Gwen made me love this character, and OMG. Her role in the comics broke my heart. And they even inserted Gwen/Connor which is like LOLHUHWHAT but it makes sense, dammit.

And of course, Cordy/Angel. Man my heart breaks for Angel even more after reading this. DAMN YOU WHEDON. CAN'T YOUR CHAMPIONS LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU. I'm a huge, huge, huuuuuuge C/A shipper, so seeing their moments together makes my shipper heart a-flutter, but... awww. Knowing that they can never be until she's returned to life or he dies? T_____T

And then there's GUNN. I don't know how to feel for him, I mean for the second time in his life he lives to regret something he's done. UGH.

And Lorne. LORNE. I miss you, Andy Hallett. :(

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You are so very welcome! I'm glad you got to read it. :3

And I do think the parts with Fred are played up due to her dying in that fashion. I've heard that if Angel had gotten a season 6, they would've explored Wes' relationship with Illyria and had that develop into something else. But they didn't, so...there.

And Spike has a tendency to glomp onto the nearest odd female that catches his eye. Not to say that he doesn't still seriously feel for Buffy, but- stuck in proximity with Illyria for so long? ...yeah. And I think he felt he was protecting whatever was left of Fred/Fred's memory by keeping her out of trouble. >_>

So in other words? Yes, Fred was probably elevated to a higher 'importance' than she'd otherwise get, buuuut I think that's mostly due to the fact that her corpse is up and walking around. :P

Yep yep. I get that. As Steph had mentioned, it would be worse if what happened to Fred happened to Cordy (with Angel being in Wes's shoes, OMG the drama, why isn't there a fic on this?), but... I guess my issues stem from not liking Fred at all as a character? Much as I adore Illyria, her connections with Fred and the time dedicated to that is time better spent on... say, Connor. Or something else that isn't connected to Fred at all.

Oh man, Cordy going through that would just about outright destroy Angel, after everything else. ;___;

I really DO like Fred as a character, but I can understand not caring for her so much. I think that a lot of her connections to the group in the canon stemmed from her circumstances. She was the fifth wheel when she was first introduced, and I think a lot of the relationships that were explored in regards to her were about her finding her place in the group. Which is why she started out crushing on Angel, then dating Gunn, and finally ending up with Wesley.

...anyway, I'm getting into rambling mode and I probably shouldn't with a character you don't really care for, but ANYWAY. I do feel your pain regarding your character getting tied to one you don't like- I have to deal with Nathan on Heroes now, and I was hoping that wouldn't happen. *grumps*

But I think with Illyria, if you want to push her forward without having to deal with that so much, maybe you could focus more on the "I'm in a human body now/I'm trying to understand emotions/etc" aspect, than the Fred-memories aspect? I dunno, I just wouldn't want you to feel stuck with her or anything.

PS: The page the breeze panel was on was SO sweet aaaaa. I was glad they added that in. <3

Dood, ramble away. I'm very, very cool with rambling, don't worry ;P

Hahaha! Actually, before I app'ed Illyria at Taxonomites, I play her everywhere - with her being normal or her using Fred's body but Illyria's personality or her using Fred's body and Fred's personality. Idk; I saw it as a challenge and see for myself if I can write genuinely nice characters? It would've been great to be able to do that in taxon, too, but I wouldn't want to usurp the real Fred's place, or something. So... you know. Illyria's very multi-faceted so I hope I won't get stuck with her :)

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